Sidekicks

Jun. 16th, 2009 10:49 am
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Next week I'll be giving my guest lecture at the 2009 Odyssey Workshop.. My topic is on characterization, specifically the hero/sidekick relationship in fantasy. I've been working on my talk for the past couple of weeks (so far I've resisted putting together Powerpoint slides, but given my corporate training I may inevitably succumb.)

I'll be starting the discussion with examples of sidekicks, and have come up with some of my favorites:

Gilgamesh / Enkidu (gotta love the classics)
Frodo / Sam
Holmes / Watson
Spenser / Hawk (Robert B. Parker series)
Batman / Robin (or Batman / Alfred, depending on which universe/version)
Dr. Who / Companion
Devlin / Stephen (as the author I know what I was trying to do with this one)

So, any suggestions? Favorite hero / sidekick pairings I should be sure not to overlook? Fantasy works best, but I'm open to all genres/mediums.

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Date: 2009-06-16 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathschaffstump.livejournal.com
Don Quixote/Sancho Panza

Kirk/Spock

Steed/Mrs. Peel

Napoleon Solo/ Ilya Kuryakin

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Date: 2009-06-16 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Cool, thanks!

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Date: 2009-06-16 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
Nero Wolfe/Archie.

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Thanks!

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Date: 2009-06-16 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypherindigo.livejournal.com
From Andrew Greeley's "Irish" series. Nuala McGrail and Dermot Coyne.

My spelling could be off.

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Thanks!

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Date: 2009-06-16 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scbutler.livejournal.com
Prince Hal/Falstaff

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Oooh, good idea. Since that pairing sets up the whole hero / sidekick character arcs evolving in different directions discussion.

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scbutler.livejournal.com
I am a veritable god.

See you Saturday.

Oh, and I just wrote a scene where you're rolling your eyes at Josh.

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Date: 2009-06-16 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Saturday! Where there will be much rolling of eyes.

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Date: 2009-06-16 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
Vlad Taltos and his Jhereg, Loiosh, from Steven Brust's Taltos series.

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
And Loiosh was the brains of the two :-)

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Date: 2009-06-16 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] guinwhyte.livejournal.com
There is a dearth of women in the list/suggestions, and yet the only one I can think of offhand to add is Harry Dresden/Karrin Murphy.

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Score one! That's a classic.

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
You're right, there aren't many good female examples. Urban fantasy is primarily female protagonist, but rather than sidekicks we generally get heroine and her potential romantic/sex interests.

The other examples that came to the top of my head were relationships of equals, not hero / sidekick.

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarcastic-elf.livejournal.com
Barb and J.C. Hendee's Noble Dead books have a couple heroine/male sidekick pairs. There's Magiere/Leesil from the first series (though Leesil doubles as the love interest). In their new series they have Wynn/Chane (only one books so far so we don't know how their relationship is going to go).

I can think of a few more, but it does seem like most sidekicks for heroines also end up as the love interest regardless of gender.

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Date: 2009-06-16 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Thanks for the pointer. I own two of the Noble Dead books, but they're buried in my TBR stack.
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Date: 2009-06-16 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Lightsabers always good. Joshua and I function as reciprocal sidekicks depending upon the occasion, but I'm pretty sure we're not fictional characters so that takes us out of consideration.

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Date: 2009-06-16 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylvia-rachel.livejournal.com
How about Puddleglum as Jill and Eustace's sidekick in The Silver Chair?

The Tick and Arthur?

Do the sidekicks have to be, like, people? Because the fantasy genre is full of animal sidekicks (I'm thinking particularly of Tamora Pierce's Tortall books here...).

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Date: 2009-06-16 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennifer-dunne.livejournal.com
Yeah, there should probably be a whole subclass of "animal companions as sidekicks".

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Date: 2009-06-16 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Yup, already have notes on animal companions as sidekicks.

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Date: 2009-06-16 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Cool, thanks.

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Date: 2009-06-16 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmycee.livejournal.com
Locke Lamora and Jean Tannen. (Just to throw in a slightly lesser known set of examples there.)

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Date: 2009-06-16 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Thanks.

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Date: 2009-06-16 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennifer-dunne.livejournal.com
PN Elrod's vampire detective series -- can't find the books right now to get the names, but the detective and the British guy who bankrolls him

in Tanya Huff's Victory Nelson books, would Henry/Mike count as sidekicks?

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Date: 2009-06-16 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Good ideas!

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Date: 2009-06-16 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennifer-dunne.livejournal.com
Include your romance novel, where the hero's sidekick thinks every problem can be solved by the application of the pointy end of a dagger. :-)

Or the difficulties of a sidekick in one novel becoming the hero of another novel (again, your romances).

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Date: 2009-06-16 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
You mean like Freddie getting his own book?

And hey, can't everything be solved by a pointy dagger? Or really really big truck!

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Date: 2009-06-16 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jemck.livejournal.com
Aubrey and Maturin (Patrick O'Brien). Consider their different yet complementary skill-sets - and also, there's the romantic triangle angle in the early books.

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Date: 2009-06-16 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Duh, I should have thought of those two. Thanks!

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Date: 2009-06-16 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jjschwabach.livejournal.com
Mulder/Scully? As long as we're allowing TV.

F'nor/Canth ;-p?


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Date: 2009-06-16 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Mulder & Scully gets complicated-- at some points they are partners, other points it's definitely Mulder in charge with Scully as sidekick, and then they throw the romance angle in there.

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Date: 2009-06-16 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Which, come to think of it, isn't a bad starting point for discussing how the sidekick relationship can evolve.

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Date: 2009-06-17 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jjschwabach.livejournal.com
Though, as with Moonlighting, a mistake.

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Date: 2009-06-17 12:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] larryhammer
Stephen / Harry from Mythago Wood, which has an especially interesting scene where Harry leaves Stephen in order to stop being a sidekick and strike out as a hero of his own story.

---L.

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Date: 2009-06-17 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Thanks. I haven't read that since it first came out in the 80s--it's worth putting on the TBR shelf for a reread.

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Date: 2009-06-17 02:39 pm (UTC)
larryhammer: floral print origami penguin, facing left (Default)
From: [personal profile] larryhammer
I've been meaning to reread in anticipation of the new Mythago book coming out this summer.

---L.

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Date: 2009-06-17 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dynastic-queen.livejournal.com
Dr. Who / Sarah Jane Smith is my favorite Who pairing-up to date.
Han Solo / Chewbacca
Hiro / Ando (Heroes)
Matt Dillon / Festus (Gunsmoke)
Daffy Duck (Duck Dodgers) / Porky Pig

And of course, Electra Woman and Dyna Girl.

Just some I've enjoyed over the years...

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Date: 2009-06-17 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Great examples, thanks!

Sarah Jane Smith is an excellent example of a sidekick who grew into her own lead role, with the Sarah Jane Chronicles. Though as far as companions go, personally I was always fond of Leela's "Let's just stick a knife into it" approach to problem solving.

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Date: 2009-06-17 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dynastic-queen.livejournal.com
Leela is my next favorite. Haha! Great minds.

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